Obviously
women will respond to criticism critically. If we were constantly
trying to assert that men were emotionally and therefore intellectually
deficient I don't think we'd hear many positive responses either.
- Emma
The
men I work with want to be number one, want to feel great and will do
anything to get there. They will use and promote an agenda for others
if it will mean recognition and reward for them. The women I work
with want to be number one, if you threaten them, they will crush you.
They are not concerned about your agenda - just destroying it even if
it means losing the war just to win the battle. Secure
professionals of either sex have high ideas and promote the right
agenda. They promote each other and build success. Sadly, they are far
and few between. - Healthcare Professional
Well,
I'm going to remain so positively focused in all areas. Thank goodness
for compassion as I know there will be times when I feel overwhelmed.
- Debra
I
believe that to be professional requires you not to be emotional. So be
it. I do believe that men give in too much to womens' moans etc... and
what happens when men stand up, they get called jerks or women haters
or whatever. Both sexes need to treat others how they would want to be
treated and if women want to gain respect they must curb their emotions
when the time calls for it. I am not saying that men aren't at fault
whatsoever, but this is the truth. I believe men are at fault for
allowing women to walk all over them. Men do not like to fight with
women, (only with men) so why do women like to fight with men? Is it
because we are men? - Kay
Boy oh boy, if this isn't a bunch of bullshizznit. I have noticed
in my office that there is a direct correlation between cattiness and
intelligence in both sexes. The more intelligent a person is, the less
catty. I believe Anna Ellenor Roosevelt said it best: 'Great minds talk
about ideas. Average minds talk about events. Small minds talk about
people.' - Jethrodine
Men don't usually cry at the drop of a hat or have as many mood
swings and neither do they, on average, have as many severe emotional
reactions or even 'whine' as much as your average woman. Unless they're
gay, the five that I've personally known are like that anyway and they
admit it, though there are always exceptions. Any doctor who can help
masculinity and femininity communicate so that they don't kill each
other and, heaven forbid, be at peace and live successfully with one
another should be made a saint just for trying. Do you know how difficult it is to deal with an emotional person? They
don't seem to think, they just react and nitpick, and I have had to
deal with my share of man-bitches but I won't lie, most of the negative
emotional experiences have come from women. I may, of course, just been
numerologically cursed to happen upon most women during that time of
the month (and we ALL know how fun that is, don't we?). I love the
politically correct but it is a known fact that women are more
emotionally wired than the other sex. What's wrong with letting men
know how to deal with it and women how to cope with it? - Jamie
I am a professional woman and I've worked in a predominantly male
field for about 30 years. I don't whine, I work hard and try to
communicate my ideas and directives as straightforwardly as I can.
Although I prefer to work independently that is not always the case and
have found that I am good at facilitating teamwork and am exceptional
at conflict resolution. I try to be neutral about office politics. I do
my job as well and have earned a high degree of respect but there are
many times that minding my own business and going on about my job in as
professional a manner as possible, just what many of my male colleagues
do, is seen as cold and calculating in a woman. Go figure. - Jamee
Well, I am in the financial industry and being a man I see this emotional dilema
all too often and I have spoken to many managers and owners of businesses about
this issue and the most constant reason I hear that women are being hired in the
office type environments and service industries is that they are less expensive to hire
seems to be the constant reply. I believe and experience there are exceptions to
this over emotional problem but it is definately an obstacle to business,
especially high stress industries. I deal with it by holding my ground at all
times and if the woman expresses her concern in an issue I will attempt to make
it clear to her why the issue is serious or pending but you know the old
saying 'If you can't take the heat get out of the fire' as I am not the woman's
boyfriend or loving relation and they have to understand that the real world is
not always sesame street. If they want to be single mothers etc. and go out in
the world and be in he work force then get ready for dealing with the
public and all its stress, deadlines, and pressures or get back in the house and
cook dinner. If you have to go cry go in the bathroom and come out and do what
needs to be done. Remember ladies this is a man's world and always will
be. - Mr H.
I
may not hold a PhD or give lectures, or write books. But as a
woman I know this: "Women have to speak the language of men at
work" is so wrong. Men like Dr. Gray father sons and daughters who will continue to believe (and live) this sexist idea. - Aries
I
do not think emotion is limited to the female worker. However society
has taught males to hide and suppress emotions where socially women
have been allowed to express themselves more openly and it is much more
accepted. I think where these worlds collide is on the corporate
hallways and boardrooms. Expressing yourself and becoming emotional are
two different things. Everyone should maintain a certain professional
demeanor at work - male or female. Do we? Not always. Should we? We should strive to not allow our emotions impact those around us. It
will not matter how great a contributor you are because all you will be
remembered for is your temper or crying outbursts and it will
overshadow your accomplishments and people will not want to work with
you. That is not good for business - plain and simple. It is not right
or wrong to be emotional, we are all human. I do agree that if a job
creates such a level of stress you feel emotional all the time -- then
it may be time to change your job or figure out what triggers your
emotions and learn techniques to deal with it excuse yourself and
collect your composure. Easier said that done sometimes I
agree, and I have had to apologise for temper flairs or deal with
consequences of a project I got a bit too passionate about and forgot
my manners. Be human, be happy, manage stress and your emotions will
follow. Life is too short. - Kim
I work in a small company that is predominantly a female environment.
22 Females - 5 males. In my time working for this company I have
noticed a pattern - most of the woman band together, single a person
out whether they be male or female, belittle them and make them feel
like they are worthless. When this is achieved, the focus will then
turn to someone else. I call it the 'Two Week Cycle' because one person
is singled out for a period of two weeks before the focus moves to
another. They also tend to give them the silent treatment. This can
last for days. Most of the time the other person might not
know that there were any problems. I have noticed this at other places
of employment but it doesn't tend to be as bad where there are less
women or the male to female ratios are more balanced. When males work
together and have a work related disagreement they can say their words,
either rationally or heated and then get over it within a short amount
of time. I have come to the conclusion that the majority of women lack
maturity, no matter what their age. Honestly it's like being back in
primary school. - Paj
I think it is awareness that brings about change. So if we can
understand more about Men, and Men can understand more about women, it
is win-win for all. I think Dr. John Gray was not just talking about
Women changing or adapting for men... it is more about understanding
men more and adapting our behavious so we benefit... also it allows the
men to understand women more. - Nicole
Over the past two months, I have had more than six encounters with catty women,
almost all from younger ages (I'm 45). As a woman, this saddens me very much. I
feel like a ninny for having had the attitude that women should stick together
because I came of age when women had far fewer opportunities than they now have. I now believe that although some women understand themselves deeply enough to
not harbor jealousy towards other women, so many women are still so insecure
that they need to put other women down. In any case, I recognise this and try
not to ever lower myself to behave in this type of catty manner. - Terri
Have you ever been around a male when he is 'mad'? Try living with my dad if you
haven't. No one can generalise all women are this way and all men are another
because of a little thing called genes. Anyone heard of them? Although I am
sticking up for this point, it does not mean I think women are superior or inferior to
men. Some men never cry some do... Some women rarely cry some always do. It
all depends on the person you come across. All you women haters out there
probably just had bad experiences with them and visa versa. Some men I'm around
are total girls and no, they are not gay. When most men get emotional they close
themselves out of everything and everyone. They also get really offended by the
smallest things. Women, as we all know, PMS. Most get really angry and want to
pick fights and argue. Some don't however. Point being, there are good and bad
things to each gender equally.
- Dr. Brigham
Total bunk. In my many years of work, I have witnessed the emotional breakdown
of men and women equally. The one difference I myself have noticed, though not
written in stone (nothing is), is that men tend to be either complete
megalomanical crackpots or easygoing push overs. Women tend to be more steady. I
think every workplace benefits from both influences. In order to move forward as
a race, we're going to have to respect our differences. I've also found that
backstabbing and gossiping is just as prevalent in men as in women. I remember being
irritated over a pastor at a church I once attended who spent an entire hour and
a half discussing the evils of WOMEN's gossip. Not the evils of gossip, but
WOMEN's gossip. I complained to my father, a petrochemist, who told me that men
gossip just as much as women and proved it to me by showing me video footage of
a meeting he facilitated with only men in attendance. The meeting should have
only been 20 minutes but dragged out to over an hour as everyone had to whine,
cry, complain and maliciously gossip about those not in attendance or any new
rules/regulations they were going to be subject to. It made me feel so much
better as women are slighted for this ALL THE TIME. I love my
dad :)
- Rebekah
I
am in the financial industry and being a man I see this emotional
dilemma all too often and I have spoken to many managers and owners of
businesses about this issue and the most constant reason I hear that
women are being hired in the office type environments and service
industries is that they are less expensive to hire. I believe and
experience there are exceptions to this over emotional problem but it
is definitely an obstacle to business especially high stress
industries. I deal with it by holding my ground at all
times and if the woman expresses her concern in an issue I will attempt to make
it clear to her why the issue is serious or pending but you know the old
saying 'If you cant take the heat get out of the fire' as I am not the woman's
boyfriend or loving relation and they have to understand that the real world is
not always Sesame Street. If they want to be single mothers etc and go out in
the world and be in he work force then get ready for dealing with the
public and all its stress, deadlines and pressures or get back in the house and
cook dinner. If you have to go cry, go in the bathroom and come out and do what
needs to be done. Remember ladies, this is a man's world and always will
be.
- Mr. H
I can't say that, as a man, I don't get emotional at work sometimes. I
think that it's natural to get frustrated or annoyed with circumstances
that are beyond my control. However, every night my girlfriend keeps me
fully informed about her progress at work for the day, and usually she
seems to have either had an amazing time laughing and joking with her
colleagues or she's had the 'worst day ever' and that the people she
works with are 'absolute w@nkers that should be sacked'. There is no
middle ground and no stability from one day to the next and I for one
find that very difficult to deal with. Luckily I don't have to work
with her. - Jon
I think it is important in this conversation to recognise that different kinds
of emotions are received differently at work. In my experience, there are some
emotional patterns that are much more common in men than in women in the
professional workplaces - for example, aggressively displayed anger. I suspect
that in many situations both men and women are likely to respond emotionally,
but the patterns of how those emotions are displayed can be very different - and
those that are transformed into aggressiveness are actually received better than
those that are not. To make matters worse, I often suspect that, to the extent
that women are able to learn the habits men have of transforming their
frustrations into more aggressive patterns, they are then socially penalized -
in small part at work, and to a much larger extent in their personal lives. There is more of a conflict between the emotional patterns that are
accepted/reinforced/rewarded in one's professional life and in one's
personal life for women than there is for men. - Rebecca
I work with a great mixture of men and women.
I have seen both men and women get upset, in fact
I have had more men than women cry in front of
me. Is it because I allow them to do it without
feeling it is wrong?
What is wrong with crying anyway, isn't it called
being human? I do have to admit that the only
gender to upset me has been female, to the point
that I didn't want to go to work for a few days
for fear of being in the same situation.
As someone who remains professional and treats
others with enormous respect, it really throws
me off guard when I am verbally attacked in a
catty manner by female colleagues. The sad thing
is that I think some women believe that being
assertive means to be overbearing and downright
rude.
Yes, women can be awfully unprofessional in their
approach and very catty when under pressure. If
that can change - all the better!
- Alicia
There is still too much gender-based inequality
in the work force. If this sentiment is incorrect
then why are American women still struggling to
make the same salaries that their male counterparts
are making? Why is it that in many companies men
are actively promoted to positions of power much
more easily than women?
This is not necessarily the rule, however in
many organisations I know the same trends seem
to be occurring and this is upsetting on many
levels. Have we progressed at all?
- Aleigh M.
I am a woman who has very little good to say
about her own gender! My experiences in the workplace
have been unbelievably bad when it comes to being
backstabbed, gossiped about, betrayed, and misunderstood
by other women with whom I have worked.
I have found that women cannot be rational and
unbiased with female co-workers.
There has been social clicque-ishness, social
exclusion, and character assassination -- with
the intent to destroy. It wasn't mere idle office
gossip.
It comes down to the childishly destructive intent
of the emotionally immature women in the workplace!
They have little ability to behave rationally
and logically - to be team players. This behaviour
in women at work was not just with one business/employer,
but has been seen again and again at several workplaces
over a period of decades!
- Jeannie
I would like to state that this comment (by Steve
Wright) is obviously written by an incompetent
person who can not spell and is also gramatically
incorrect in one of his last sentances.
He says that he works with open-minded males,
which I suspect he believes himself to be one,
yet he just generalised all females to be emotional
freaks. Therefore, he makes himself look like
an incompetent hypocrite.
- Jen
I work in an environment where most of the workers
are female and we do get overly emotional at times.
Our world has changed where we have to be out
there and I do think men should give us some leeway
in some areas.
We are supposed to be different to complement
each other.
- Annie
As a woman, what I resent is the implication
that any emotion, even a positive emotion,
(excitement, enthusiasm, thrill) is seen as a
negative?
- Amy
Dr. Gray is a fraud. Men are from Earth, Women
are from Earth. Deal with it! Want to learn about
men and women relationships, check out the craigslist
personals.
- Foxy Brown
I believe what Dr. Gray has to say has some merit.
I'm a 62 year old woman who believes in evolution,
not revolution. When my great uncle came to NYC
from Ireland in the late 1800s, the signs at the
hiring hall said 'No Irish Need Apply.'
Instead of huffing off to a bar he spelled his
name in the English fashion and got a job. Twenty
years later, being Irish was cool, and he had
a nice house. Playing the "mans" game
until women achieve parity is smart.
- Maureen, New York City
I think all women have no
place in the workplace. They whinge, moan, change
the mind all day long and base their decisions
on how they feel at the time.
You probably won't print this because you will
be a woman yourself and you will inevitably have
an emotional reaction to this and (what a surprise)
not post it on the site. Nevertheless, I work
in a team of 6 open-minded males and this is not
just me but ALL of our votes.
- Steve Wright
It is important to note the emphasis on the requirement
of women to change their attitude/behaviour in
the workplace and not men. Time and time again
we see the same thing, men=right way and
women=wrong way.
It is the catch 22 that women face everyday on
the workplace, if they speak their minds they
are bitches and if they don't they get stomped
into the ground by those around them, actually
other women do some of the stomping too.
When women finally reach management positions
they have to work extra hard to keep it and get
the cooperation and respect of those around her,
she has to rally her troops. Men on the other
hand can walk around the office enjoying the implicit
support of those around him, confident in his
ability. He suffers no self doubt, he knows that
those around him respect him without question.
It's an everyday fight that perpetuates the position
of women and makes this situation seem 'normal'.
Well it's not normal, and the site of change needs
to be focussed on men's attitudes and behaviour
in the work place, and not women.
- Pamela
I do not care if women do work. So don't shoot
me!
- Justin Barbata
Getting a bit fired up there aren't you girls?
- Emotional perhaps? I find it strange that it
has only been the female gender that has written
in so far.
Well, I'm about to take the first step for mankind.
Ladies if you want respect don't jump down our
throats at any given chance - simple.
- Sam
I agree. Women are too emotional. So shoot me.
- Melissa (P.R.)
The differences between individuals far exceed
the differences between genders, so for people
to rely on gender as an excuse for poor communication
is quite lazy and disrespectful.
The 'language of men' shouldn't be the standard
to strive for; better communication strategies
are more important things to focus on for individuals,
not men vs. women.
- Natasha
Unfortunately, Dr Gray is correct in that women
are too emotional in the workplace - as perceived
by men. I have seen numerous instances where women
have drawn the short straw because they have expressed
their emotions.
After 30 years plus dealing with the glass ceiling,
I'm starting to become disillusioned about bashing
my head against it. It would be nice if we could
just recognise once and for all that there are
two sexes in the workplace and therefore two 'operating
systems', neither of which is better or worse
than the other, but together have the option of
being extremely complimentary and successful for
all involved.
But I fear that glass ceiling is only getting
thicker!
- Terri
I find it strange that as a supposedly educated
man Dr.Gray is trotting out the same old tired
stereotypes from the '50s to support his workshops.
Isn't it time for everyone in the work place to
grow up and act like adults?
Adults treat each other with respect, understand
every one has differences and learn to co-operate
to get the task done. Stealing, selfishness and
emotional frigidity are signs of immaturity, not
the behaviour of a grown man. Needing constant
attention, fear of self assertion and inappropriate
emotional behaviour is a sign of immaturity and
not the behaviour of a grown woman.
If he believes that men put a positive spin on
rejection, I suggest he listen next time a guy
loses a promotion, a job offer or a girl friend.
By the way Dr. Gray, anger is an emotion.
- Matthew
Why do women 'have to speak the language of men
at work'?? Women may have different responses
to men to situations which is their strength,
and their emotional base makes them more empathetic,
more giving and flexible in their thinking and
therefore more able to think laterally and come
up with win-win solutions.
A conversation between two women in the workplace
is often refreshingly about finding solutions
rather than about a battle of egos. Maybe men
should learn to 'speak the language of women at
work'?
Dr Gray has approached the issue from a very
1950s sexist viewpoint - the assumption that the
male way is the correct way and women should be
conforming to this. I thought the point was that
different personalities and approaches creates
diversity and are pluses in the modern work place.
- Niki
I think women and men aren't always different.
When people say "women are sensitive and
men are barbarians", that's crazy. Sometimes,
when a man is sad he cries. It is normal for a
man to cry, since he's a human.
I'm not sure that men are alone to value their
career, either. Some women live only for their
job - that's why they haven't a family. In my
opinion, it's stupid to live only for a job.
- Priscillia
Frankly, what men think of me is none of my business.
I don't have the time or energy to worry about
whether I'm 'behaving well' in the eyes of the
men I work (or play) with.
Women have power and men don't like that.
As stated by your other readers, I'll be as emotional
or non-emotional as I want to be and I'll not
be controlled by anyone -- man or woman. This
picture of women flitting around crying every
time something goes wrong is just ridiculous.
Dr Gray does not now and has never impressed me.
It's always been his mantra that women need to
work hard to understand men.
Give me a break.
- Sue
Dr. Gray, in my opinion, is relying on the Mars/Venus
theory to a point of offense. I mean the supposed
gender differentation of emotional expression
is ... ahem ... a load of crap.
The way we react to our surroundings relies very
heavily on things like how we were raised, what
our home environment was like etc. There is not
an innate 'masculine' or 'feminine' way of dealing
with emotion. It differs from person to person
and there is truly no way to group and compare
this between the genders. I mean ... come on!
As I've said, each person responds differently,
emotionally, to stimuli .. EVERY person ... one
man will not likely respond the same way to sexual
harassment as another, just as one woman would
not respond as another... just as the reactions
of one woman and one man would differ. Therefore,
even if there were the presumptuous gender
difference, it would be too nebulous to categorise
when checked along with the differences between
individuals.
- Cris
Let's stop 'tricking' each other and start becoming
ourselves. That is the real challenge.
I read Dr Gray's book years ago and found it
to be a lesson in manipulation of the sexes. Why
not just become yourself? If anything, in my workplace,
I find myself educating the blokes and learning
from them too.
Men love women. Women love men. Let's become
ourselves, there's nothing sadder to see than
a woman trying to make it in a man's world by
offloading her femininity. We wiser women need
to help the younger ones too.
- Cathy
He has a lot of nerve. I find his article ridiculously
unprofessional and almost offensive. If men really
think a woman is weak because she speaks her mind
and is emotional, they are NOT worth knowing
and it's not worth striving so damn hard to keep
their repsect.
- D
Yes women ARE too emotional at work! As a woman
I am extremely embarrassed by this emotional behaviour
(crying, shouting, slamming doors, voicing their
opinion loudly, etc), I find it to be inappropriate
behaviour for a so called 'professional'.
I do not cry at work, I do not demand 'respect',
I do not shout 'go girl' at every chance I get,
I do not use my 'womanly charms' to succeed. I
do not act like a man, I do not dress like a man.
I behave in a professional manner at all times
- this earns respect. I ensure I know my particular
field of expertise well - this earns respect.
I am very happy at work and I work along side
many men and I feel totally accepted, respected,
listened to and valued. What is the problem ladies?
- Sharyn
I am surprised to learn Dr. Gray's view that
women should try to talk men's language in order
to be accepted and successful in the office. I
think the different way of expressing by men and
women can be accepted by each others, just like
we have different color of flowers.
Obviously, this has a long way to go in a men-dominant
work place, especially like engineering areas.
I can understand that the idea of Dr. Gray's may
provide a short cut to women's success, however,
should we compromise our principle for a success
rather than to 'educate' the other side - men?
- Irene
I agree with Dr Gray, women workers do tend to
be more emotional than male workers. Female emotional
behaviour has evolved over time to induce males
to appease them. It is unrealistic to expect women
in the workforce to change their emotional behaviour.
Because, although men do not treat them as equals
because of this behaviour, women gain more advantages
by being more emotional. For example women now
enjoy a large number of government supported measures
(laws etc.) to enforce their 'equality' and acceptance
in the workforce.
Unfortunately these measures only cause men to
feel less respect for women in the long term.
Governments should be encouraging male and female
workers to accept their complementary differences
rather than expect women to 'act' like men and
visa versa.
- Matt
I believe that women, in general, do not demand
enough respect from men - in the workplace, at
home, or at the local pub. If women were more
serious about their own roles as equals, men would
be forced to treat us as equals.
We must change our attitudes from "Please
respect me" to "You will respect me."
I'm sorry, I will never conform to the 'language
of men' ~ if you can't understand what I'm saying,
listen harder! I will never smile and say, "Yes,
thank you for stealing my idea..." I will
stand up for myself, I will be emotional if I
wish to be so, and I will still be respected.
Women cannot deny female qualities but we do
not have to act like men to be respected. Dr.
Gray is not the answer for Australian women. If
we want change, it will come from within us.
- Janis
What a surprise, all women and all criticism.
I have been a believer in equal rights for a long
time, but with such a focus on the concept of
'equal rights' we will never be able to move forward
and become equals.
Women want everything changed to accommodate
them. Unfortunately, whether right or wrong most
workplaces are male dominated, or at least have
been, and we all have to adjust. Not just women,
but less aggressive effeminate males as well.
Adopt the old ACL principle and Accept, Change
or Leave if you are unhappy.
- Daniel
I think men feel threatened by a woman who is
a) obviously intelligent and making no
attempt to downplay it, and b) physically
attractive. They can't reconcile the two and it
disturbs them.
They in fact are far more likely to react emotionally
to a woman's successful idea than the other way
round, and they can be considerably more viciously
'bitchy' in seeking revenge, particularly if the
woman refuses to flirt with them. Ho hum.
- Helen
Dr. Gray's comment that "Women have to
speak the language of men at work" implies
that the 'language of men' is the operating style
we should be striving for. Mmmmmm.......
Focusing solely on the differences between men/women
rather than accepting and developing strategies
to work with the many personality styles that
exist in any organisation is self limiting.
- Angela
Hi, my name is Tanya and I am sorry I missed
this lecture by Dr. Gray. Oh how I wish I had
been there to speak for many women. Interesting
once again that the correction of attitude and
behaviour was laid at the feet of women.
How about the men correcting their lack of emotionality
and give themselves permission to validate and
not shame women for this healthy expression of
the same experience.
When men decide that the expression of emotions
is to be shamed, perhaps it's the other way around
- emotions are our internal gage of our feelings
- energy in motion??
And it's high time we embraced our inner self,
our emotions and integrated them with our intellect
so that we achieve wholeness. Dr. Gray's book
to me is actually the opposite to reality, in
fact I admire women for expressing themselves
and I know it's far healthier than suppression,
so I believe because men (including Dr. Gray)
are so frightened of their inner world [and] the
power of their emotions, they would find it easier
to shame women.
- Tanya B
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